# Phoenix frontend without the HTML stack?

**URL:** <https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/phoenix-frontend-without-the-html-stack/59285>\
**Category:** Discussions\
**Tags:** architecture, phoenix, frontend, liveview, liveview-native\
**Created:** [October 27, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/phoenix-frontend-without-the-html-stack/59285 "2023-10-27T01:14:31Z")\
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**Author:** ![derek-zhou](https://forum.elixirforum.com/user_avatar/forum.elixirforum.com/derek-zhou/32/19943_2.png) [@derek-zhou](https://forum.elixirforum.com/u/derek-zhou)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 12:44am UTC](https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/phoenix-frontend-without-the-html-stack/59285/4 "2023-10-30T00:44:49Z")

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> [@victorolinasc](#):
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> I just think there are better UI models than the ones HTML web brought us too.

Please name some. SwiftUI is proprietary and single platform. so is Flutter. Web is not perfect but it is the best we got.

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